Sam Pooley Stride - Artist

Joining me this week, Sam Pooley Stride

Sam is an artist, curator, and founder of @swanhillstudios, a not-for-profit gallery and studio in Shrewsbury.

Before art, Sam spent over a decade in London’s advertising world helping young creatives find their way. she co-founded Cream, a graduate exhibition that launched many creative careers, and the Saatchi & Saatchi Book Club, connecting art directors and copywriters. Later, she led the careers department at NABS, the advertising industry’s charity, supporting people on their creative journeys.

After moving to Shrewsbury, she studied Fine Art at Birmingham School of Art, graduating in 2013, and founded Compost Kids Art School, which ran for six years nurturing children’s creativity.

Now her world revolves around Swan Hill Studios — curating exhibitions, running The Circle, an artist community, and painting whenever she can. Her work is intuitive: experiments in texture, colour and depth that explore the space between expression and escape.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Welcome to Your Life on Film. I'm your host, Ted Bennett. Joining me this week, Sam Poole Stride. Sam is an artist, curator and founder of Swanhill Studios, a not-for-profit gallery and studio in Shrewsbury. I had a lovely time talking to Sam. She has some great views on film and there's also some great choice in film. I hope you enjoy it. I think there are some things in there that I was meant to cut out, but uh I don't think they're that bad. Anyway, hope you enjoy.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

I'm laughing because my um my uh iCloud notes, it says TED Talk Friday.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

You're doing a TED Talk.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

I'm doing a TED Talk. How cute is that? And and obviously I can't just give you one of things.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

No.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Because I realised I'm 50 fucking one this year. Or 52. I don't know how old I am. I'm something like that. That's a lot of filming. That is a lot of filming. What does mean to ask someone Hey, two-parter. Come on, right, okay. Um I wonder so I was gonna say to you, I really want to thank you because I realised that I had I'd been such a big film lover all my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

And I'd I'd actually got out of the discipline because I'd spent so I I've got lots of kids and we have a big ritual. I probably watch a movie a day with my kids.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Good.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

But uh and we get into bed and I watch it in the evening with them. And uh, you know, I've been doing that for the last 10 years, really, but they are all kids' movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

You know, or or a nuance of kid friendly. Kid friendly, and I realize and quite often they're repeated. They do love to repeat the thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:44

Oh, I went over to a friend's house and he was watching Beauty and the Beast or something, and I was like, Oh, I haven't seen Beauty and Beast for ages. And he went, Really? Because I've watched it ten fucking times this week.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Yeah, and I was like amazing, it's amazing. I do remember that. Daisy was obsessed with Beauty and the Beast on a oh my god, on a laser disc.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

Lovely. Oh, I didn't have to. Uh my laser disc player. My laser disc player swipped it for me.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

No, this was 96, and she would get up. Yeah, she was about three years old, and she'd push the button and she'd turn it over. But she literally was obsessed with that as a toddler. Having a laser disc. That's literally, I've just gone under time loop.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

Um Having a Laser Disc feels like that's a very telling about how much you were into film.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

Because nobody bought laser discs unless you were into film.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

I mean, I can't I can't I can't say I also had a Bamax, so I didn't have a No, I never had a B Max. I have a friend who had a B Max, and that for me was the ultimate film.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

I looked about getting one recently. Yeah. But money. They're all the money.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

But I want to thank you because it made me. So we talked about doing this in September last year.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

It has made me go back and really think about my filmage. Excellent. And it's been the best journey. And there's been a couple of films that I've watched. So what I'm doing now is I'm actually, I think we're so TV focused these days because of the quality. Yeah. And I think we're so we, you know, those we're so invested in that kind of six hours of time that we can do that kind of marathon thing, and it's so spoiled, isn't it? Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_04 3:26

Wait a week. Oh, I wonder what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Yeah. So I think I've been so TV focused for the last few years, and this last six weeks, eight weeks, since you know, Christmas and leading up to wrapping present and watching a movie. And I've done so much of that, and I want to thank you because it's absolutely because of this.

SPEAKER_04 3:46

Enjoy. Yeah, that's wonderful. I love that. I really do. I I I I I also really like that there's that feeling of you're watching TV and you're like, well, I'm not watching a film, and it's like you're consuming a wonderful story, so that's what it should be. But I'm the same. If I watch TV, I'm like I could be watching films right now, but I'm watching TV.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

They are a different discipline, they really are, you know. And I'm going back and rewatching it's also the ch the choice of films, yeah, which has been really interesting. So I've got a massive film list now. That's what you've made me do. Have you got a letterbox? I've got a letterbox and it's huge. Well, I haven't actually done it. You should do it. It's just on my notes. It's not actually letterboxed, but it is a massive film list, and I am ticking them off. And it feels like another discipline. It's a really lovely, like it's a bit of an homage.

SPEAKER_04 4:39

A friend of mine said, if your biggest worry at the end of the day is what film are you gonna watch, you're living a pretty good life. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, when I've got a shelve of like DVDs, because I still buy loads of DVDs because they're a quid, and it's like, oh, I've never seen that, oh, I've never seen that, and it's like, well, here's 20 films, well, I'll put those on the shelf, and then I'll go home and I'll look at the shelf and be like, I don't know what to watch. I should watch another six feet under. No, no, no. Like, let's let's pick up.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

So before we talk about the DVD thing, go for it. So every single person I know who's got rid of their DVD collection apart from me, you and I, we both live in Castlefields, right? Yeah, you and I, when Armageddon happens, no, don't this is I have this is my theory. And by the way, someone I read an article in The Guardian about someone else who agrees with me about this. But when Armageddon happens, yeah, yeah, and there's nothing for anyone to do other than obviously battle their houses and make sure the zombies don't get them.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

We're gonna have to entertain our children in the evenings and we won't have filmage anymore because the Wi-Fi is not gonna work. Therefore, we're going to rig up that bicycle. The children are gonna get their exercise by powering the DVD player. I mean and you and I are gonna be the only traders of DVDs.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

We want your DVD, you want Blu-ray? What you want, what you want?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

I'll give you an egg. I'll give you an egg so I can borrow.

SPEAKER_04 6:05

Seriously.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

I'm not joking. We we're gonna be Barter Economy. We're gonna be blocked.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Yeah. Love film. We will be the new love film.

SPEAKER_04 6:15

You also say about barricading windows. Uh, my office, I've pretty much blacked out my window so that it's a completely blacked-out room so I can watch films in my office. And they're so it's already blacked out.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

I'm already you are gonna have it.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

Nice Venetian blind on the outside so it doesn't look scummy when you look from the outside in, but on the inside, cardboard, canvas blocked out.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Yeah, so there you go. That's so the DVD thing. Although I don't have the covers anymore, I've downloaded boxes. I don't know how you feel about that. I've got flip bag, I've got flip books as well.

SPEAKER_04 6:45

I really like a case, I like a I like a a tangible box. I miss them now.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

I regret it. I got it.

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Friend of mine gave me hit binders, and I was like, that's wonderful, but there's no sleeves, there's no boxes.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Oh, I've got my sleeves, so every every sleeve. Okay. Or it has like a um, you know, it has the front cover. Yeah. I've cut out the front cover.

unknown 7:10

Cut out.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

I know at least then I've got more.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

Yeah, sure. I mean you still you still have the film.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

I have the film.

unknown 7:15

I have the film.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

Do you still have any of the other old uh like do you still have any laser discs? Do you have any videos?

SPEAKER_00 7:21

I don't have laser discs. I have kept two VHS. Okay. One is the big blue, which is on my list. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

You mentioned that the first time we spoke. Did I? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Yeah. So Sean McBarr, um, Luc Besson, that's one of them. And the other one is the one that I was going to talk about, which is Laser Disc. So I'll save that. I'll tell you about that in a minute, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Nice. So I still have my Laser Discs, but my Laserdisc player packed in about two years ago.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

That's tragic.

SPEAKER_04 7:53

It genuinely is, because there was it's really weird things like my copy of The Abyss was the best on Laserdisc. The DVD never touched it, the video never touched it, but the Laserdisc was beautiful. And I was like, but I need my Laser Disc, otherwise I can never watch The Abyss. And then they were saying they were gonna release a 4K of The Abyss, but not in the UK because Cameron didn't want to cut the rat scene because they now deem it to be endangering an animal.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

No way.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

Yeah. So they were gonna say, like, unless you cut that scene out, you can't release it in the UK. So he was like, Well, go fuck yourselves. So my 4K of the Abyss I had to buy from Germany, but it's it's still that thing of like I still have to.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

I had two laser discs that were my other than Beauty and the Beast, the uh original animation, was The Mission, oh yeah, which looked incredible on that and doesn't touch it on the DVD. Yep. Um, and the other one was Jean um Jean de Florette.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Fucking weird. Like, why did I have that on there? But that was very of the time.

SPEAKER_04 9:01

Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Very of the time, but they again did not touch it. Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_04 9:07

People would say, like, why do you have Laserdisc? And I'd be like, Oh, because I like it to be slightly better than video, but not as good as DVD, and they all laugh at that. But then I'm like, but actually, uh certain filmmakers really gave a shit. And certain films look absolutely stunning on Laserdisc. If you tweak it all in, and if it's not if it's CLV instead of CAV and all that nonsense, and you really get it right, they look beautiful. And until 4K's, like, DVDs didn't touch it, and sometimes the Blu-rays weren't quite right, and but the Laserdisc was the nicest thing. But I also like watching films from a specific era, so I don't have a 4K of The Evil Dead, I'll only watch The Evil Dead on my old video.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Oh, I love that. Because it's like that's how it should be watched. I love that. It's a knackered old video. That's true. Yeah. That's very true.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

It's uh how I want to consume that art form is how it was intended to be consumed.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

I kind of really, really regret that we don't have tapes anymore, tape decks. Yeah. And because I think that's absolutely true of certain um certain films. Uh or no uh certain um oh albums, yes. Yeah, definitely because they were made for mass producer cassette. The best of the police, yeah, which definitely sounded different on my Walkman with the you know, with the tape than it would on anything else, but just from nostalgia. So I really get that. That's fascinating.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Well, sorry, we haven't even touched it.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

That's fine, that's fine. Um, you mentioned being uh 51 this year, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

I think or 52, I can't work it out, but let's just say 51.

SPEAKER_04 10:43

50s, early 50s, yeah, man, late 40s, beautiful, much better.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Bye.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

Um, what was the first one we saw at the cinema? Because 50 years ago to the cinema. So um there's been some absolute bangers out there.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

I've got two I've got two memories of my first cinemas experiences. One is Spy Who Loved Me, where the entire family, including like neighbours, so like I reckon the whole village was in the front front row in the first kind of four rows, and we all went to see it at Birkinsted uh at Birkinstead at this beautiful cinema that we used to go to when we we were little, and um it's like Art Deco, really cool. But I I remember that kind of like it being every age group there, and I loved that. Yes, I loved that, and um and that iconic scene where he's you know in with the Union Jack um parachute. I love that, nobody does it better, and then the other one is E.T. So those two those two are the kind of seminal moments for me at cinema, and E.T. the reason that it's the one I remember the most is because I was crying so hard, the snot was running down my face no hot so hard, and I was crying out loud that someone told me to shut up. I might I can't, I don't I haven't done maths on it. I haven't done maths on it. Because that's how that's mid-80s, yeah. So I was probably so is it mid-80s? Early 80s. Early. So I was born in 74. So I might have been seven. Yeah, that makes sense. But it would I just remember like it was the first film where I was just like you know, the emotions hit me to not stop crying.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

I was the op I was terrified of that film.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Really? I remember being scared, yeah. Very scared, and then Outhouse and going through when he was all grey, it's very eerie. Yeah, I don't understand the nostalgia of that film as much as other people do. It is a much more sophisticated film than you know, but then I I do think viewing in the 70s and the 80s for for young people, for little people, was completely different to now.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Like we we did watch sophisticated films, we watched films that were totally inappropriate, we watched films that you know. So you asked me, I thought the question, you know, what was the kind of film that you watched over and over again when you were little? So my obviously the big big thing that happened in my childhood was the corner shot where the DV the VHS the video store, right? So that happened for me for the first time when we were about seven. Perfect timing. And um we that's this thing about kind of watching a film over and over again, you know, that was that gold dust in your hand, yeah. You would you would rent it and you would watch it over and over. So many times. So the early ones are things like Greece, stuff like that, and then you know, the literally the village would come over and watch it with you because you know you want to get the most out of it, yeah. But for me, I've got two like core films as a child that we watched. Police Academy.

unknown 14:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

I mean so unsophisticated. But I and the other one is a film called The Money Pit. Oh, with Tom Hanks and um uh uh and the guy and the the the drag queen and I can't remember her name.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

She was in Cheers, yes, um Diane, who was Diane in Cheers?

SPEAKER_00 14:30

No, oh yes, yeah, it is not Shelley Long, is it? I was gonna say Shelly something, it might be Shelly Long, yeah. Anyway, I love that though. She so there's that moment where he stands on the uh on the rug and he goes to the floor and he's not moved anyway. I just don't remember watching films like that now, like crying so hard that your tummy muscles hurt. And I don't know whether it's because I've got older brothers and sisters, so I was so I was with teens.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

You sure?

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Yeah, you were showing young, you so I was much younger, but but that absolute crying with laughter, like those films. I don't feel like I've watched a film in the last 20 years that has done that, and I don't know whether it's a time in cinema or whether we've seen so much comedy or whether things just aren't as funny to people anymore. Like I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 15:29

I don't know, because I re-watched um this this only feeds into what you're saying, but I re-watched Police Squad recently and was in hysterics.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

Because but it's like I said, it's something of a time, it's of its own thing. And then I go and watch something that's a comedy now, and you might get a couple of chuckles. The closest I got was the new Naked Gun film, yeah, which I haven't seen yet, which is actually funny.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Which and I was quite interested about this. I think they missed a trip with the new Naked Gun because they're they they put it at a 15.

unknown 16:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Did you know that?

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Did they?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, and so they've missed out on a whole audience of 12 plus. And so my friend's kids, the reason I know that is because my friend's kids got turned away from it the other day. And I thought that was really odd.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

To be honest as well, watching it, there's not that many jokes in it that I would say are out of line. Like a 12A would do it.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

That goes back to that thing with films in the 80s, which there was nobody considered what age group it was appropriate for.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

We just watched 18 was the only one where like if you were putting on an 18, your parents should be like, Why have you watched an 18? Yes, but apart from that, unless you're watching it with us, in which case we don't care.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Anything. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Um it was the Wild West. Because you would just you'd go into someone's house and their dad would have a load of films, and you'd be like, What's this Terminator film? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he'd be like, put it on, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

My parents took me to the cinema at tw 11 to watch Fatal Attraction. I think we were on like a boat going to Denmark with me, and they were like, oh yeah, that's that's a lovely bit of film, yeah. That'd be good.

SPEAKER_04 17:09

Don't look at that bit.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Yeah. No, they didn't even do that. I mean, they're ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

My mum and dad were well, my dad didn't, but my mum was if she saw something coming up, so Terminator 2, we all watched as a family only because you'd buy, you'd rent the kids' film, the adult film. Yeah, we'd watch the kids film together. Yeah. And then they're like, we're gonna watch our adult film.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Right.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

And then, you know, if it gets a bit late, you go to boys go to bed. And the bit where Arnie's like cutting his skin off, mum would just go, like, look away, boys. And she didn't police that, it was just, I've done my bit, I've told you to look away. And like a good little boy, I look away. And then Louie, my brother, was just like, Yeah. Dead-eye on the screen, like, yeah, alright then. Brilliant. So, and but that was it, yeah. That was all you got told, like, look away now.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Love that.

SPEAKER_04 17:52

If they had to explain one of the adult jokes, they'd just sort of go, like, oh, it's just it's just an adult joke.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

I love it.

SPEAKER_04 17:57

It's like it's too much effort to explain to you what that means. And it's like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

But you just watched it.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

But fatal attraction's an odd one, too.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

That was really. I mean, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:07

But that feels like a grown-up film, not just an adult film, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Oh my god, you know what I mean? It's like sort of everything. It was and it's really dark.

SPEAKER_04 18:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Boiling rabbits and really, really hot sex. I mean, it wasn't like what else is there in a and a shooting at the end, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

It's um it was quite, yeah, for X-rated film.

SPEAKER_04 18:27

Well, yeah. With that, was that your first?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

No.

SPEAKER_04 18:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Well, it actually, actually, it probably was my first. And is Fatal Attraction in 18 must be, yeah. Um, so my favourite story, so it's yeah, I think it was my first, like my choice to watch. Right. Was I I was really quite a pretentious early teen film watcher. Um, and Betty Blue. Okay. I asked my parents to give me the VHS of Betty Blue for my 14th birthday. Jesus Christ. Which I then obviously watched and enjoyed thoroughly and thought I was very sophisticated watching, you know, uh uh French film. And um, but that obviously the opening scene, um, which by the way has been watched by my brother probably more than any VHS, so it's probably like, you know, tired out by now. Yeah. But um, that film I watched and it was on the side in my in our family home, and it then the VHS tape disappeared. I was like, where the fuck is this now? And I thought maybe one of my brothers taken upstairs for a nice little um taking it for a ride. They hadn't about four years later. Yeah, um, I was going through uh looking for uh some loose change, shall we see, say, in my dad's study in a cupboard, yeah, and found a the copy of the Betty Blue, and I was like, what the fuck? Anyway, turns out my parents had sat down and watched it and realised that it was a very inappropriate film for uh their four years later. Yeah, yeah, found it four years later. Fourteen year old. No, no, no, they'd obviously found it two weeks after. Oh, two weeks, okay. Yeah, so they'd found the tape, yeah, they'd put it in the cupboard after obviously watching it and thoroughly enjoying it. What is that then? That's absolutely not what Samantha is going to be watching. And then I found this in the cupboard next to our favourite, most well-worn copy of recorded young ones that my brothers had a 10-year age gap between my eldest brothers and my youngest. Okay. Age six, seven, the young ones was like my favourite, favourite, favourite programme. Um then my parents had actually looked at the young ones and gone, that's completely inappropriate for us to watch. You shouldn't be watching things. And and I just love this because so Betty Blue, you know, is my other D VHS that I still own.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Lovely.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Um, the one I don't have is the copy of The Young Ones, which I'm so sad about. I know it's not film, but it had the lovely stickers on it. The the the the little stickers that said do not record, yeah, never record over this, you know, the rainbow stickers on it from the bit that nobody ever used. And I still wish I had that because I'd make that into a piece of art. I would literally have that in a little box.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

Also, the ads that would be on it. Like that's the thing that I miss on well, not on a BBC.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

No, BBC. So it wouldn't be on there. But the beginning credits are, and I always love the beginning credits, those things. But yeah, I agree with the ads. So anyway, so that's my that's my first X-rated yeah, movie. It's a very good film. Sure. And uh I have to say, uh the soundtrack is amazing as well. Very amazing. So that's I would say that's my first recommendation.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

That's a bold one to have as a young age as well.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

I mean, y you've mentioned two things like Betty Blue and uh Fatal Attraction, but what was the first film you watched that you considered grown-up?

SPEAKER_00 22:13

My god, but this is so d I mean, I've got so many on here. Go for list them off. Okay, so well, I I was trying to work out, like, when you say grown up, like what that means, because I've got kind of a whole series of films that I discovered that I think are exemplary films that made me think about cinema like an art form. Do you know what I mean? When you meet when you watch something and you go that's the difference between a movie and a film.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

And a couple of them are really like generic, obvious ones. So for me, the first time I watched Lawrence of Arabia, like I and I still watch that probably once every couple of years, and it's recently got the 4K of it. Oh my god, wow, but the cinematic stunning.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

I love that film.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

There's something about it, it's epic, it's gorgeous, it's Sunday afternoon, it's really comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Bingo, it's under a blanket.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

And I feel like that's a grown-up film.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

And then the other one, which I definitely made me go, I'm a grown-up, this is cool. You know, as a genre, cinema is incredible, and it was actually showed to me aged, I think it was about 18, and it was showed to me by a friend who was studying film is a dog day afternoon. Okay. And for me, that film, the you know, it was the idea that everything was shot in the same place. It was the idea that the the that that something could run, you know, a scene could be running for that long, like as a kind of craft. Yes, for me, amazing. Theatre on film at that point, yeah. And and it was about thinking about direction and thinking about that whole like cinematography in a different way, but also pace. Everything about it was more about it being a grown-up film, watching something that wasn't just I don't know, entertainment. Sure. And the third one was The Constant Gardener. So which is um it's quite late. It much this is the this is a completely different thing because this is about performance and watching a and I thing is I'm 51, but I still don't think I'm a grown-up. Don't forget that. No, us Gen Xers will never feel like we're grown-ups ever. So, you know, um there's something about The Constant Gardener, there's a pace and a thing about performance in that film that blew my mind. And I don't know what it is. I would absolutely recommend going and watching it again. And I haven't watched it for a long time. It's something that sat with me. Oh, okay. There's a scene where she's just in the bath.

SPEAKER_04 24:49

It's LaCari though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Sorry, yeah. Yeah. And it's isn't it, Fines? Yes. Yeah. Which I also think is And Rachel Vice Vice. And it's it's just it's just a lovely paced film.

SPEAKER_04 25:02

I think everyone knew that Fines was uh wonderful, but that film I think is the reason everyone thinks of him as the actor he is now. Right. Because everything leading up to there, he was doing great bits. Yeah. But after from that film onwards, I think everyone went like, oh, he might be our guy for it's how they talk to each other in the film.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Okay. It's like it's not a film. I can't really explain it. It's there's something about it.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

I feel bad that Vice didn't get more like that. Because when she was with Aronofsky, she was doing, you know, The Fountain and some more interesting roles, kind of, but then she did About a Boy, and she's great in About a Boy, and I love About a Boy as a film.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

But it kind of it didn't go anywhere after that with it.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

The mummies.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

Yeah, she's beautiful in that.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do think And when I say beautiful, I mean beautiful performance-wise as well. As well as But I don't know if she has gone off to have babies, and that's why she kind of kind of fell out of things. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

But I do She went off and married Daniel Craig, why wouldn't she?

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Yeah. Um, but I do think yeah, I just I just think that for me is like a grown-up film in a different way to the kind of classics, right? So I was trying to find a film that kind of said like meant something that just made me go thought differently. Yeah. Really thought differently.

SPEAKER_04 26:19

Well, it would seem you've hit all three categories, I think. When people say, like, well, what do you mean by grown-up? Some people are like, Is it the first time it's a film, not a movie? Other people go, like, oh, is it something like faith attraction? Because I'm not meant to watch it. I'm as a kid, I should watch it as an adult. And then other people have gone, it's a film that made me reconsider something. Yeah. And it's I think all of those answers are correct when it's the first one that made you feel grown up. And Dog Day Afternoon is another one that, considering when it came out, the themes it's covering, not like yeah, the themes it's covering are relevant today. You know, it's that it and I think it's Pacino's best performance, I'd say. Maybe that or Serpico, maybe cruising, he's very good in cruising. But they're films that just don't I don't think they get made anymore.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Definitely not. And I think it's I mean, again, what's really interesting is that adolescence thing, like the way they've shot that over the whole thing, you know, there's quite a lot of that, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 27:21

Isn't when the when the film kind of I will say that adolescence thing, I didn't want to like it. I really didn't want it actually, but I loved it. Yeah, I think when I watched it, I w when I first heard about it, I was like, oh well done, one shot, that's a gimmick. And then I put it on and I watched the first part, and I was like, nah, fuck, I'm gonna have to watch all of this now. And I watched all of it in one hit.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

But I think but but you're right, I think it's there's the the tone of it, the performance of it, the shot, like the pace again, like it's it's unique. Yeah, it is a very unique film.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

And I think Dog Day is similar in that way. It's a very unique. I still yell um Attica, like every now and then. Just whenever anyone's kicking off. I'm just like, Attica! I know no one ever knows what I'm yelling that for. Um, so what film holds a special place in your heart? The Family Stone, which is a bit like Family Stone.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Oh mate, Diane Keaton. It's not an old film, it's probably about I would say I don't do you know what? I don't even know what year. It's probably 20 years old. Yes, it is. Oh my god, it is 20 years old because there was something about it being 20 years old. Okay. So it's it's about uh a gorgeous family and at Christmas, and it's it's everything about slightly dysfunctional, gorgeous brothers and sisters. Um the mother is Diane Keaton, who is my absolute uh favourite actress in a kind of she manages to be herself and yet do a performance that is so wonderful in everything she does.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

My friend worked on the uh Graeme Norton show and she said, Do you want to come and watch it? And I was like, Yeah, sure. And it was the episode where it was Diane Keaton, Kevin Bacon, Michael Fassbender.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

I'm gonna cry.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

And there was a point where she says, like, Oh, I love kissing people, and she like gave Fassbender a kiss, gave Kevin Bacon a kiss. Then she looked at the audience and went, Who else wants a kiss? And I went to put my hand up and Kirsty was like, No! And I was like, You're gonna deny me kissing Diane Keaton.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Well, you're now the closest I've ever got to Diane Keaton because I am I just she's my style icon. I just Oh, it hit me hard when she posed. I really adore her.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

I was not expecting her to have gone.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Actually, I'm really glad I found a film you haven't watched. Yeah. Um, I'm really chuffed about that. It's it's just it's everything that a Christmas movie for me is about without being a Christmas movie, and it's not about Christmas at all. It's just about is Claire Danes is in it, um, who else is oh, there's loads of really cool people in it. Um not Owen Wilson, the other brother. Luke. Yeah, yeah. He's in it, he's a bit of a stoner in it, and he's gorgeous. Um, it's just a brilliant film, and Sarah Jessica Park is in it, and she is absolutely phenomenal in it.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

She doesn't get enough comedy roles, in my opinion, because she is a very funny woman.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

She I went to see her and Matthew Broderick in that play in London that they did last year. They did this amazing, it's like a three-parter, I can't remember the name of the playwright. That's really gonna annoy me. Um, I'll come back to you. But he um her com comedy timing on stage was extraordinary, and they were so good together.

SPEAKER_04 30:44

I forget that they've been together for what, like 30, 40 years or something stupid, and it's like, yeah, those two must be.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Well, she'd got the golden globe, didn't she? Oh, did she? She got a golden globe, like uh um, you know, one of these who are an amazing person.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

Oh, nice, nice, nice. I think that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Was it Chris's choice? I can't remember. Either way, I think it's deserved. Very cool, very cool. Yeah, um, and the and her performance in The Family Stone is amazing, amazing.

SPEAKER_04 31:11

Did you ever see her on the comedians uh in Cars Getting Coffee, the Jerry Seinfeld thing? Everyone always picks, you know, Lamborghinis or like really nice old Porsches or whatever. She chose this huge old like station wagon from the 70s where she was like, This is the car that when we were kids, get it in the back of the station wagon, and the kids are sat like facing each other in the back, and everyone's having a great time. And I was like, That's so nice that that's what you've chosen. You've chosen to remember a lovely time, not a oh something that never happened, remember something that has happened, and it was like, Oh, that's nice.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah, she's an extraordinary, extraordinary person, I think. So, yeah, Family Stone is my go-to. But then I was also thinking about you know, uh, this is a bit what I'm struggling about what to choose because actually you haven't got a question about kind of teen films, like and I feel like that's a really important part of everyone's yes uh film history. Yeah, it is, and I couldn't decide between you know, obviously, I'm from the Brat Pack era, so and obviously Breakfast Club is is is a film that we would watch over and over again. But I think one film that isn't talked about at all is Lesson Zero. That was a really important film for me, A for the soundtrack, but B, Robert Downey Jr.'s um performance in that is and the book is amazing as well, heartbreaking, but also just just it's a brilliant film of its time, of Hollywood, of LA, of the kids in LA.

SPEAKER_04 32:49

Young RDJ had such a face that I mean, I guess knowing his later issues with sort of addiction and stuff, he wasn't having a great time in his head.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

No, and because of the whole film is about his addiction, it's it's a very ironic yeah, and and you know, it it's so real.

SPEAKER_04 33:08

It's so real, and his performance is always so beautiful because he's always on he he always looked like he was on the verge of tears when he was younger. And you just think like, oh, you fucking were, weren't you, man? And that's where all of the energy comes in. Yeah, plus he was such a fucking handsome man.

unknown 33:21

Yeah, he really was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

So he's still a handsome man, but very differently handsome. So so for me, uh Less than Zero, I think, is probably a quite a seminal film. And then the other end of the scale, I discovered David Lynch in my teens, and I was at a boarding school, so obviously it's not film, but it is TV, and Twin Peaks is a huge part of my teen years, and uh something unlocked in my brain when I saw David Lynch, and so um we would we would have to go, our lights out were at nine o'clock, yeah. That's when they but it started at 10, didn't it? So we would then creep down the entire year to the common room. And we'd all sit on the floor with the TV on watching Laura, and it was amazing. So that that was where it kind of his his world switched my brain on, and so one of my utter favourite films as a teenager was Wild at Heart.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

Oh, I'm so glad that's the one you chose. That's my favourite.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

So Blue Velvet, I don't know. Blue Velvet's wonderful, it's got some great bits. I actually didn't really enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 34:34

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

But for me, Wild at Heart is just everything about like his brain, yeah, their performances, the soundtrack again.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

I told Kirsty if I ever find a snake skin jacket that fits me, I'll get married to me.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

That would be and that's it.

SPEAKER_04 34:50

Like and I'd wear the black t-shirt, black jeans, snakeskin jacket. That's how we're getting married.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

And I so I sometimes do a say low like in my head when I'm more, you know, where it just make myself laugh. But I that so that's my that was my other teen film.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

I think.

SPEAKER_04 35:06

With the there's probably some stuff in there with the boarding school. Like were there uh was there ever um films that were passed around at the boarding school, or was there anything like that? Because I remember there was I went to a boarding school for a beat. I went to bedstone college. Which one did you go to?

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Yeah. I went to one that's now no longer it's a Bedston College is closed down. It's um yeah, it was a bit like it was called Whispers, which my father always said sounded like a nightclub. Yeah, it does. Um, and it pretty much was. I mean it was I it was St. Trinian's, it was amazing. I I had the best time at boarding school. I asked to go to boarding school at nine years old. Jesus. And I, you know, I was yeah, it was brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

I am the opposite. I hated it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

I I didn't that there's a weird uh But you're in a different time to me. Yeah, don't forget. So we weren't like nine eighties, we weren't parented. My brothers and sisters were ten years older than me, and I was just like, I needed to be away. We were all grown-ups before we, you know.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

So also I feel bad because my parents, like, my brother is a little goody two shoes who wants to please them all the time. So he got sent to Highgate, he went to Adam's grammar, like he went to really fancy schools. Right. And they were like, Well, we should do the same for Ted. And what Ted wants to do is paint, watch and make films, and just muck around. I don't really need academia.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

So when they were like, Well, let's spend all this money on lovely academia, it's like you're wasting your money. I'm not gonna learn anything here because that's not how my brain's wired. Like, put me in a in a mechanics and I'll learn a lot.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Like, yeah, but I'm going to caveat that with one thing which I think people don't think about with these things, which is um, I absolutely agree with you, and I didn't need academic. I don't think I got any academia at school at all. I don't think so. But I do think that that independence and that, you know, I wish I could give that to my kids now. Yeah, I think that kind of slight like resilience and that slight, you know, yeah. Um I think our k our kids are so much younger than they are now. Uh yes. I think that just that experience, even if it does for me, it taught me how to talk to people.

SPEAKER_04 37:15

Yeah, I don't think kids can do that now.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

I don't, not in the same way, you know. My my mates always said that you know, I would I would meet their parents, and their parents would be like, My God, you know, we just had the best conversation with Sam, you know. Yes, that's you know, um, and I think that comes from that separation and that and that.

SPEAKER_04 37:34

No, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

I think that's so that's the only thing that I would say is a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

Sure. I don't think that it wasn't a complete waste because I definitely learnt things at that school. And also, um, it sounds bad, but knowing how to deal with people from that society.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

Definitely.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

Like I worked in a finance job for eight years. I despise capitalism, it does not work for me. Um, but now I know how to talk to those people. So it's always like, yeah, I know how to deal with people. I need to know how to talk to the money people. Yeah, that's that was definitely worth its weight. But it's that thing of just knowing how to interact in different communities and having to talk to people and everything. And yeah, kids nowadays, like just I don't want to be one of those I sound like a boomer gen Xer myself, but like kids nowadays are very timid.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

And it's Nate, my son's just rung me and asked me, he's baking an egg. Do we have any eggs and how do I turn the oven on? 17. Like, do you know what I mean? Like 17. Oh my god, he'll kill me. You can't put that in, actually.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

Well, I think at 17, um I went to New York on my own. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it was yeah, and it was I went to New York on my own to go to the filming location of clerks.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

I love them!

SPEAKER_04 38:45

That's what I did, you know.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Oh my god, I love them.

SPEAKER_04 38:49

And like I don't I don't understand how kids aren't doing that nowadays. Yeah, I know it's grafted fucking hard, borrowed money off mum and dad just because I wanted to go to a small place in nowhere, New Jersey, just so I can go, ha! Absolutely love that love that, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

Yeah, I love that. Or I had a baby instead.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

Yeah, that's pretty grown up.

unknown 39:10

I was growing up, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

Who'd have thought watching Betty Blue would make you have a baby that young?

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

Um what's your controversial opinion on a famous film?

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Oh, I've been in my brains. Favourite question. Really been rapping my brains about this one. Yeah. Forrest Gump is a bit shit. Okay, so and I will I will lay out my case.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Go on.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

I think it's just so fucking sacral and a bit so this is not even something that I've decided about later on.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

So I watched this film aged, I think I was probably 19 when I watched this film. Before it came out. Um, and so I had a baby in '93. Um, so I'm a pretty hyper emotional person with a baby at you know, yeah. I watched it and it did, it actually left me a bit cold, which is really weird because I'm a crier.

SPEAKER_04 40:07

I'm yeah, you feel it.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

I really feel faithful.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

I cried at the end of that film.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

I, you know. Um I did I think I cried a bit, but it it didn't, I didn't walk out like everyone else. I did not walk out going, wow, that was an amazing film. I felt like 12 Years a Slave is my one of the lens. Okay. I feel like the flaws in look, there's some really big subjects in there that are kind of just like washed over.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

I feel like it was just overly emotional, unfounded, and it irritated me a bit. I don't know why. His performance really irritated me.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

I loved the woman, I loved the woman in it. Robin Wright. Yeah. I love her um performance, but again, I felt like her background story was kind of just like, yeah, you know, there's a really fucking big story there that was kind of like, oh, that's just a bit of I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 41:05

She had it a bit rough.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

Yeah. And I'm not, and I'm and the thing is, I am no wokey person, and I'm not. So it wasn't, it's not about oh my god, they haven't treated the Vietnam War well. So there you go. So foreign scum is a bit shit. Now And I don't think it deserved the Oscar.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

Who what was up against that year? Oh, uh And had he just come off the back of the state.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

So there was something really, really brilliant that it was I mean, it was the year before when he was the funeral. That was one thing. So that so that film was so phenomenal for me, and I know it's completely different, but it wasn't, you know. Uh there was another film that was really important that year, and I can't remember what it is, but it is a ri there was another film that should have won that year. Okay. We need to maybe you can do your research afterwards and put it in, but I don't think it should have won anything.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

Now I watched it recently, uh I say recently within the like the last couple of years, a rewatch as well, because I had watched his newer one about uh the one shot in a family home, but over the span of like 200 years or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Oh, how so it's Oh, yes, yeah. What's that called? Ah I can I can I I I have to say, I mean, I have to say that the same thing happened with the one where he's talking to a bit basket uh basketball on an island. Same with the one in the airport. I do find like it's really interesting because actually I really like him because one of my films is, you know, like the money pit, brilliant. But I do I just felt like they were very, I don't know, Tom.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

It maybe it's he's a he's a very um his appeal when he was younger was that he was the everyman. But then it became a little difficult to sort of detach it's called hair, that film. Yeah, yeah. It's a bit difficult, and I was saying this to my dad yesterday with like Meryl Streep. I came into Meryl Streep's career when she had already done all her hard work and was allowed to just be Meryl Streep.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

Your devil wear prodotype thing, whereas I'm Kramer's versus Kramer's. Exactly. Fuck me.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

When I went back and rewatched Kramer versus Kramer, I was like, oh, I get it. I was wrong. Meryl Streep's amazing because she wasn't just being Streep, which is all I ever saw her being. And I think Hanks is the same. Kirsty doesn't like uh Tom Hanks because she's like, Oh, he's always just the same. I'm like, now he is. Yeah, but there are that he's not.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

But I think I love his comedy acting, I love Mig. Yeah, I love that performance. Um, and I like I said, the money pit, like those early things. I think when he got a bit more like he's a serious actor, he just really irritated me.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

That's fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

That's really interesting because I really like him now, much prefer him now, again.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's obviously a thing, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:53

You didn't like him in Philadelphia?

SPEAKER_00 43:55

Oh, yeah, I loved Philadelphia. Yeah, I did love Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

Um, no, Forrest Gum.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Well done. Thank you. That was a good reminder.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

Forrest Gump is an interesting one because I've heard somewhere that in the book he's a very different person in the book. Like in the book, he's sort of like this big old lug of a guy with a big old crop of blonde hair, and he's um a lot more intelligent. Like he's a bit I think he's a bit more switched on with what's going on. And in the film they dumbed him down, like it was a what are the chances that this would happen to you. But then the writer got so annoyed with the film that he made a sequel novel where the real Forrest Gump meets either Tom Hanks or the film Forest Gump and kind of like has it a go at him and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Oh my god, I think Yeah, now I've got to find that book. Yeah, I've got to find that.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

I've got to find that.

SPEAKER_04 44:48

When I rewatched it, I thought, this is good, this isn't as good as I remember.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Um the last time I watched it before then, I remember when Hayley Joel Osman gets on the bus and Hanks just sort of sits there and looks out. I shed a tear and I was like, okay, well done. Like you've you there's been a slow build of emotion, this the stoic one-tier release, and I was like, You've you've done what you needed to do. Okay. Then when I watched it this time, I was just a bit like, that's probably not even your fucking kid. Like it was I was completely detached from it.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

I was like, I don't know kind of how I always was from it. And I would cry because I can literally cry at a tampon out, but I think um I I for me it's that kind of like over-baked emotion in it. Yes. It's like it's so sugar sweet to the point of is an issue. Like it annoys and it annoys me because there were like three or four really big subjects in there that are just kind of like watch over that one, and I didn't really get why it was love like it was.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

I think it's all timing.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

He had just come off the back of you know, Philadelphia, and that is a accomplished film and a beautiful story.

SPEAKER_04 45:59

Um yeah, that is beautiful. I and Young Denzel. I mean, I'm gonna I'm not gonna belittle him. All Denzel is bloody good, but there was such an intensity in Young Denzel that it was just like fucking hell. I was I I was annoyed when I was watching I watched something with him in recently, and I and I got annoyed because I was like, I'm never gonna be able to make a film with young Denzel. That's annoying.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

And I was just like, But also, I want to say that you're talking about two men who have uh you know great relationships with their wives, they're good Hollywood families, they're good people. So I think they do come across like good people, and I love that about them.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

Yes, I hope so they're all the fact that John David Washington came out of like the the Hollywood family with Denzel and he he seems like such a nice, normal, calm guy as well. It's like that's very telling about a parent, you know. I mean, I I don't want to you know blame parents for what ch children do because I don't think that's fair at all. But when you see some sort of like Hollywood kids going off the rails, that does sort of suggest uh oh maybe a bit of negligence or maybe a bit of like left to your own devices. Yeah, but you can't say that because then you've got to go down the rhino route and that's that's exactly why I was skirting it because I was like, I don't normally I would say it is, but with the rhino one, I just feel like that's that's just grim. That's so horrible, right?

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Grim, grim, grim. Um, I reckon that comes to what we've been watching now. Yes. Can we share? Go for it. Um I have uh watched two films and it's on my list. They were on my list. Uh Friendship, Paul Rudd. Oh yeah. Oh I haven't seen it yet. My god, it's excruciating. It's brilliant, okay. But it's the most painful watch.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

And I think you are going to really enjoy watching it for the pain, for the pain and the irritation and the oh my god, it's so uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

Um, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and it's a film that I don't think a lot of people will watch. And I think it I think it's you're only the second person who's asked if I've seen it.

SPEAKER_04 48:12

Or not asked if I've seen it, but I've mentioned it.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

Okay, and it's just it's just it's just it's simple, it's yeah, it's yeah. Anyway, it's painful. It's not one I'll ever watch again. But but it I've done it. I did it, and I was please don't watch it. I'll add that to the list. Um and then the other one is called The Materialist.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

Just watch it Oh, with um Um Dakota and and um The Perfect Man, what's his name?

SPEAKER_00 48:40

What is his name? Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal. Um and again, I love the way it's shot. It's very Is it Sophia Coppler?

SPEAKER_04 48:49

No.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Oh, actually, it probably is. Do you know what? I don't even know who directed it. Do you know what? I don't know. Let's find that out.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

I think it is Sophia.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

Um it that would make a lot of sense because it's got a lot of what was her first film?

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Virgin Suicides.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Yeah, no, the other one. Sorry, not that one.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

That might not be my first film.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

Um with Bill in Japan, the one with Oh Lost in Translation, yeah. So uh that would make a lot of sense if it is her, because it is uh uh it's got that lovely, again, quiet contemplation. Um the shots are it's thoughtful, like it's very it I feel like I'm watching cinema, not a movie, again.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

Which it it annoys me that it has to come if it is a couple because we're still waiting on that information. If it is a couple of film, like it annoys me that it had to come from a dynasty family, that feeling because films do not feel that.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

But Hannah, why does that annoy you?

SPEAKER_04 49:49

I think it's wonderful that that has like because I think if it came from other places as well as a dynasty, yeah, I'm fine.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

But because it only seems to come from But is that because they are they are the ones that are able to make those make those Yeah, maybe you know, they are quite literally the ones that have the A the balls and the legacy and the able to do it because they're allowed to do it.

SPEAKER_04 50:16

Big famous name Dad is gonna back it. It's like oh fair enough. Yeah, it's not loading. We'll never know. We'll never know.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

I'm gonna look now.

SPEAKER_04 50:23

Go on then.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

Um it is it it's just there's a really nice pace to it. I'm actually I've not loved her, obviously. I haven't watched The Widow. Is it is that her film? The one disaster. What was the one?

SPEAKER_04 50:40

The spider, no, Madame Webb.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

Madam Webb. Oh my god. I haven't actually watched that. I feel very sorry for her. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

She signed up to it.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I it's just been so badly bombed. Yeah. Um, I really liked her performance in it. I think it's a really gentle performance. I also really like it. I presume that the book is incredible because the story is just really on point. It's a really lovely and it's it's kind of one of those films where again, I don't know if I'd watch it again. It's a lovely, it's it it was just a very nice yarn. It's a nice story, like him as a performance, but it again, it's those films that kind of slow you down a bit. Yeah, and I think that's the bit of cinema that so I'll go back to the original thing which I said to you, which is I want to thank you for those are the films I haven't been watching. That's the that's the big thing. Films, things to make you send it. I'm not watching the movies, you know. Um, I haven't watched Mission Impossible with my husband yet. I haven't watched, you know, I have had to watch Wicked number two about eight times, which is nearly funny. I I won't even watch any of that. I wouldn't. Um, but that's the bit that you know, and then I've been watching some cool stuff too with the kids, like the Percy Jackson. I really watched that again recently.

SPEAKER_04 52:02

K-pop Demon Hunters, how many times have you seen that?

SPEAKER_00 52:03

Uh probably about 25.

SPEAKER_04 52:06

I like to blast the soundtrack of that out of my truck so that when everyone sees my truck, they're like, oh, it's one of those guys. And I'm like, nope, I'm your little soda pop. That's what I'm listening to.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Excellent. I love that. Um, let's just find out what's my.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

When it comes to um Money Pit, wasn't Money Pit a remake of Mr. Spaulding builds his dream house?

SPEAKER_00 52:26

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 52:27

Is it Mr. Spaulding?

SPEAKER_00 52:29

I don't know. That's brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 52:32

And it's an I think it's an old Cary Grant film.

SPEAKER_00 52:35

Oh, and Chris as well. What's it? Mr.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

Blanding builds his dream house.

SPEAKER_00 52:39

I've never ever heard that that was it, and I will Oh, it's not, it's not Coppola. Celine Song, her name is.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

So Celine Song.

SPEAKER_00 52:49

Never heard of her.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

No, but I bet she's done something that we all know.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Maybe. It's um so just going back to that one, um, I I didn't think it was a romantic comedy. Oh, it's something else. I've just read that. It says it's a romantic comedy. I don't think it was that funny at all. Um I thought you were gonna be like there's no romance in it, but no, no, no, no, there is romance, there's lovely romance, but it's not particularly funny.

SPEAKER_04 53:16

Remember, comedy also just means it has a happy ending.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Oh, okay. Does it?

SPEAKER_04 53:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

Does it?

SPEAKER_04 53:22

Yeah. In terms of like the If a film has a happy ending, it's technically a comedy.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 53:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

Is that actually a thing?

SPEAKER_04 53:31

I my mum told me that when I was younger, and I thought that's a horseshit, and then someone else said it recently somewhere else, unrelated to my mum whatsoever, and I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

So Oh, I thought you were gonna say that's a film school thing.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

I I You'll never catch me quoting film school.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

I think that that's a real copel, isn't it? Because comedy is funny, yeah. Yeah, okay, well, it has a happy ending and it's um uh but it but just brings up some really, really interesting points about the modern world and dating and you know, how any of you which I don't know how to any of you like m like navigate your way through this in like with these horrible, like you don't get your meat cute, you don't get the sitting at a bar so meeting someone, snogging their faces off on your shit face, and then you know regretting it the next day, and then you know all that stuff, you're not getting that.

SPEAKER_04 54:30

I met Kirsty uh ten years ago, and I met her because I knocked on her door because we were neighbours, and I'd only ever known her through bumping into her in the street, bumping into her on the tube, all that kind of stuff. And I knocked on the door. I've never had a dating app. I don't understand how they work or what they do, because to me it's like, why would I want to randomly meet someone off my phone when I would rather meet someone in a location that I also want to be in? There's a mutual understanding, mutual interest, like if we're at the cinema or a gallery or something, it's like, oh, we've got a shared thing. Let's start talking. But I think that goes back to that independence of going to a school and it's not like that.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

It's I think I think that's really sad. So this story is all about um you know, she's a matchmaker. Okay. It's actually a big business. Yeah. I had no idea this was a thing. Did you know about that?

SPEAKER_04 55:22

I thought matchmakers had died ever since like Tinder and things came up.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

Yeah, me too. It's a bit like a mind luxe version of Raya. That yeah, but but physically. So she's like a um, you know, like um, oh my god, my brain's gone dead. Um, this is what happens with the menopause at 50. And then I must have got the menopause already. No, it's a bit like some kind of recruitment consultant for a dating person, and that's kind of the premise of the story. But it just brings up some really interesting things about how um how what people want out of life, and you know, um, I'm at a stage now we've got quite a few friends who are in their 50s who just you know either are divorced or separated or whatever, and finding a new partner is really, really hard. But then you've got that kind of the 30 somethings who are desperate for a partner. Um I'm pleased I got my divorce before 30. 40 somethings, say that again.

SPEAKER_04 56:23

I'm pleased I had my divorce before I was 30.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

Yeah, I wish I had mine. Um, the 40s were then the 40-year-old men or 50-year-old men won't date 40-year-olds, they're only interested in 30 year olds. It's all a bit, I don't know, it it says a lot about society, yeah. Is you know, and the bottom line, you know, the difference between what you need and what you want out of life and actually love and that actual real thing of it, you know, chemistry, and you know, it's just a really interesting well.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

I think I always see it with my friends now that they don't consider their partners their best mate. And to me, I'm just like, How I don't understand that. Like, why would your partner not be your best mate? Because that's meant to be your partner in crime, that's meant to be your your guy, you know. I don't understand it, and they're just I that horrible realization that actually no, they just wanted a mother.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 57:20

Oh, that's big, and you're just like, ooh, boys, boys, boys. Like that's big. That's not good. They're like, well, you know, she's good with the kids and she keeps the ass all nice, and it's like, what is this, the fucking 50s?

SPEAKER_00 57:31

Wow, that's very old school.

SPEAKER_04 57:34

I like my partners to call me a cant and you know, expect me to pick up my share of the house because we're buddies, we're l we're in this together. But I don't know, some people are not.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

So, yeah, that's me. That's film, and I've got a massive list now, and I'm really, really excited to go. What's the plan for tonight?

SPEAKER_04 57:52

What's the film for tonight?

SPEAKER_00 57:53

So I've got to go to a private view tonight, but then after that, hang on, where's my films here?

SPEAKER_04 57:58

Private view, then a private function.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

Um I'm I'm I haven't watched The Bruce List.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

Nor have I.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Um, so I'm quite interested in that.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

You know, Lol Crawley, who's a cinematographer, yeah, born in Shrewsbury, grew up in Powers.

SPEAKER_00 58:12

Shut up.

SPEAKER_04 58:12

He did Four Lions as well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Oh my god. Okay, well that's going top of the list. And then the other one is One Battle After Another.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

I loved that film. Did you? Loved it so much.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

Yeah. Yeah, I think there's and then they've got two ones on there that are older. Jay Kelly, which I'd never ever heard of.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

Oh, that's that was last year, isn't it? Was it only last year?

SPEAKER_00 58:37

Oh, I thought it was.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

Clunyan Sandler, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 58:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 58:40

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 58:41

Someone was talking about it the other day, and I've got to my dad said that the making of is very good, maybe better than the film.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Okay, okay. Um, and then hang on, one more. Let's go one more. Obviously, I'm going to see Hamlet next Friday.

SPEAKER_04 58:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

So I'm very, very excited about that.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

So I for ages thought Hamlet was um a bit of a son of Rambo situation where it was a kid putting on a performance of Hamlet and it was called Hamnet. And I told this to my buddy, and he was like, Oh mate, no, that's not what it is. And I was like, Oh. Okay. Well, I like Mascell and Buckley, so very funny.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Might be more interesting. And there's another one called The Baltimorons that apparently is very good. The Baltimorons. Yeah, yeah. I want to watch that. I don't know, I don't know anything about that one. Uh what else is on my list? This is quite exciting. The secret agent is on there. Sentimental value is on there. Obviously, Marty Supreme. Orves. Sinners, meant to be brilliant. Begonia. Loved it. Sorry, baby.

SPEAKER_03 59:45

You don't have to be.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

Uh Weapons.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

No?

SPEAKER_04 59:49

You can put that one a bit lower.

SPEAKER_00 59:51

Okay. Oh hi. Okay. Relay. Together.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

I want to see none.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

K3. The threesome. Splitville. The secret agent. The mastermind. No other choice. Train dream. It's quite old apparently. I don't know how I'm going to do that. Okay, I'm gonna send you this letter. Jesus, yeah. Yeah, I really I've been doing a lot of research. But that's um that is exciting me because it means that, you know, trying to do a couple a week after I've done Wicked Three again.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

Those I used to do an opposite at film school and stuff where me and my buddies would spend all day learning about Italian nearrealism or French New Wave or French Extreme New Wave, and you'd watch all of these films and you're like, I am fucking drained. And then I'd be like, Do you want to come to mine and we'll watch uh Pacific Rim and Alpha Papa? And we'd be like, Yes, fucking, and then you'd watch nonsense. And I think sometimes it you just have to do it the other way as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:53

You I absolutely think one doesn't uh one doesn't you can't do one without the other. No, you absolutely, and I hate film snobs. That is something that really, really irritates me because you know, like you laugh slightly when I said um police academy in a way that you're like fucking hell, where are we starting everything? But there is such a time and a place for ridiculousness and shit film, and you know, and you you know I love shit films. Oh, me too. I love a shit film.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:27

Like I I I cannot get enough of shit films. And last night I watched um a Belgian film called uh Calvaire, which is the ordeal, and it's one of those yeah, and then I chased that with uh the cinematic experience of Wild Wild West. And I just thought, like, I that's I I've watched something like that, and I'm just gonna watch Wild Wild West.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

Oh, that's another film that I think people don't talk about enough is the original Westworld.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:54

Oh, the Michael Crichton, yeah, he didn't direct it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

No, the original. I don't know who I don't know who directed it. I don't even know anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

Crichton wrote it. Michael Crichton wrote it, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

The original of that with your brand loved, yeah. I love that film. I love that film. I think that is a and young guns. Oh my god, that's a good film.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

Not corrected at all. Young Guns.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

Yeah, I'm just thinking about Westerns.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

Fair, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

I love I love that film and Butch Casting. Butchcasty is excellent. Oh my god, I can talk to you for hours and I've got to stop. I've got to do some work. Do we? Yes, I've got to do some work. Alright. That is the best fun ever.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

Excellent. Well, I hope you enjoy uh watching more films.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

Thank you, darling.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:33

And yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

And it's nearly eleven eleven. Jeez. No, the time you did, nothing.